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	<title>Comments on: Moral Hazard: Deposit Insurance and Subprime Bailout</title>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/2007/10/moral-hazard-deposit-insurance-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-280</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot where I read which said people who purchased homes with zero down and teaser rates effectively negotiated a lower than market rent for 2-3 years. If prices go up, they sell, take the profit, and can go back to renting if necessary. When the house prices were going up like crazy, the market rent was &lt;i&gt;down&lt;/i&gt; because people who rented went on buying.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By the way a bill removing the tax on forgiven debt &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://activerain.com/blogsview/230380/Mortgage-Relief-Tax-Act&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;passed in the House 386-27&lt;/a&gt;. Bush wanted the relief temporarily. Democrats went even further and made it permanent. Isn&#039;t that great? Remove those inhibition for gambling. Everybody should gamble away without fear. It&#039;s a free country after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot where I read which said people who purchased homes with zero down and teaser rates effectively negotiated a lower than market rent for 2-3 years. If prices go up, they sell, take the profit, and can go back to renting if necessary. When the house prices were going up like crazy, the market rent was <i>down</i> because people who rented went on buying.</p>
<p>By the way a bill removing the tax on forgiven debt <a HREF="http://activerain.com/blogsview/230380/Mortgage-Relief-Tax-Act" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">passed in the House 386-27</a>. Bush wanted the relief temporarily. Democrats went even further and made it permanent. Isn&#039;t that great? Remove those inhibition for gambling. Everybody should gamble away without fear. It&#039;s a free country after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your sentiments.  The risk should equal the potential reward.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, I take issue with one statement: &lt;i&gt;&quot;They were gambling that the house prices would continue going up 15%, 20% a year. If they won, they&#039;d profit handsomely.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is no &quot;profit&quot; per se here because all houses have gone up.  The only gain made is buyers that &quot;get in&quot; in an escalating market establish a basis.  To move up there has to be either an extra contribution from the buyer or an increase in the risk assumed or a drop in the interest rate.  And usually you need 2 of the 3 after selling and buying costs are included.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, I&#039;m pretty sure that banks do go after buyers that walk away from houses.  Thankfully I don&#039;t have experience here, but my understanding is that it usually takes a couple years for the bank to start collection.  Also, it is my understanding that any forgiven debt is required to reported as income and taxes are due.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Aside from the mental pain of foreclosure there is some financial suffering as well.  Perhaps not enough, however, to keep this from happening again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your sentiments.  The risk should equal the potential reward.</p>
<p>However, I take issue with one statement: <i>&#034;They were gambling that the house prices would continue going up 15%, 20% a year. If they won, they&#039;d profit handsomely.&#034;</i></p>
<p>There is no &#034;profit&#034; per se here because all houses have gone up.  The only gain made is buyers that &#034;get in&#034; in an escalating market establish a basis.  To move up there has to be either an extra contribution from the buyer or an increase in the risk assumed or a drop in the interest rate.  And usually you need 2 of the 3 after selling and buying costs are included.</p>
<p>Also, I&#039;m pretty sure that banks do go after buyers that walk away from houses.  Thankfully I don&#039;t have experience here, but my understanding is that it usually takes a couple years for the bank to start collection.  Also, it is my understanding that any forgiven debt is required to reported as income and taxes are due.  </p>
<p>Aside from the mental pain of foreclosure there is some financial suffering as well.  Perhaps not enough, however, to keep this from happening again.</p>
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