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	<title>Comments on: What To Do If Your Health Insurance Says Your Treatment Is Not Covered</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Millington</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/2007/11/what-to-do-if-your-health-insurance.html/comment-page-1#comment-2329</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Millington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re moving to Belgium, if she is not too sick to travel by plane (Dr.&#039;s opinion in writing would help), she can go to any of the countries that have national health services for her treatment.  i&#039;ve used Italy&#039;s and, while not life threatening, it cost me 50 euros and was treated at a local (excellent) hospital&#039;s outpatient clinic.  Total time spent at the clinic was 58 minutes and I was on my way.  No questions about payment; no cashier in site.  No differentiation from other patients; the clinic nurse used a triage for patients waiting.  I was no. 3 of about 50.  France has a national plan that treats anyone who needs care and treatment regardless of nationality or residence.  France has the highest rated health care among industrialized nations, and Italy was no. 2 at the time.  The only paperwork involved for care and treatment will be the 90-day tourist visa, a current passport, and you are required to purchase health insurance for your time of travel.  This can cost $120+ and can be purchased on the internet.  I doubt you would need to use it, but for most international travelers from the US have to have this international health coverage just as one has to have a valid US or other valid passport.  Mexico&#039;s system is very well respected, too, and only a passport and ground transportation need be involved.  You can only stay 90-days on a tourist visa, but after being back in the States for 90 days, you can get another tourist visa.  The consulate for the country involved may know of special visas for medical care.  If you are on Medicare, the US and Italy have a bi-lateral treaty for their citizens to use Medicare or the Italian national health plan in both countries.

COBRA rates are insanely high, usurious and punitive for being a take-it-or-leave-it policy or choice, in my view.  Previous commentary offer several ways to appeal this decision.  If you had to put the entire test amount on your credit card and they are billing your credit card account, dispute the charge as soon as possible.  The cc issuer will freeze that transaction until it can investigate and neither the lab or the cc issuer can &quot;age&quot; the $650 30-60-90 and they cannot report failure to pay to the credit bureaus.  If the cc company cannot negotiate a lower price or cannot win an appeal on your claim, the you will have to pay it but it should not affect your credit rating.  You may have to pay accrued finance/interest charges back to the original date you disputed the charge, but more and more the card issuers and medical services providers will negotiate at least a token amount and eat the rest.  They are affected by this Depression and just want to have some income.

My situation is almost identical, except that I took the test and received its interpretation and advise from my primary physician. On Friday, I received a bill for $723, which is the balance not paid by Medicare or Blue Shield Anthem.  Medicare sent me the claim&#039;s processing by them and informed me that I should not pay more than Medicare&#039;s co-pay, $45.53 to the provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re moving to Belgium, if she is not too sick to travel by plane (Dr.&#039;s opinion in writing would help), she can go to any of the countries that have national health services for her treatment.  i&#039;ve used Italy&#039;s and, while not life threatening, it cost me 50 euros and was treated at a local (excellent) hospital&#039;s outpatient clinic.  Total time spent at the clinic was 58 minutes and I was on my way.  No questions about payment; no cashier in site.  No differentiation from other patients; the clinic nurse used a triage for patients waiting.  I was no. 3 of about 50.  France has a national plan that treats anyone who needs care and treatment regardless of nationality or residence.  France has the highest rated health care among industrialized nations, and Italy was no. 2 at the time.  The only paperwork involved for care and treatment will be the 90-day tourist visa, a current passport, and you are required to purchase health insurance for your time of travel.  This can cost $120+ and can be purchased on the internet.  I doubt you would need to use it, but for most international travelers from the US have to have this international health coverage just as one has to have a valid US or other valid passport.  Mexico&#039;s system is very well respected, too, and only a passport and ground transportation need be involved.  You can only stay 90-days on a tourist visa, but after being back in the States for 90 days, you can get another tourist visa.  The consulate for the country involved may know of special visas for medical care.  If you are on Medicare, the US and Italy have a bi-lateral treaty for their citizens to use Medicare or the Italian national health plan in both countries.</p>
<p>COBRA rates are insanely high, usurious and punitive for being a take-it-or-leave-it policy or choice, in my view.  Previous commentary offer several ways to appeal this decision.  If you had to put the entire test amount on your credit card and they are billing your credit card account, dispute the charge as soon as possible.  The cc issuer will freeze that transaction until it can investigate and neither the lab or the cc issuer can &#034;age&#034; the $650 30-60-90 and they cannot report failure to pay to the credit bureaus.  If the cc company cannot negotiate a lower price or cannot win an appeal on your claim, the you will have to pay it but it should not affect your credit rating.  You may have to pay accrued finance/interest charges back to the original date you disputed the charge, but more and more the card issuers and medical services providers will negotiate at least a token amount and eat the rest.  They are affected by this Depression and just want to have some income.</p>
<p>My situation is almost identical, except that I took the test and received its interpretation and advise from my primary physician. On Friday, I received a bill for $723, which is the balance not paid by Medicare or Blue Shield Anthem.  Medicare sent me the claim&#039;s processing by them and informed me that I should not pay more than Medicare&#039;s co-pay, $45.53 to the provider.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/2007/11/what-to-do-if-your-health-insurance.html/comment-page-1#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janelle - I&#039;m so sorry to hear about your trouble in getting your treatments approved. Why did they deny them? Are they saying the treatments are not medically necessary, or they are experimental? Did you file an appeal? Are your doctors helping you justify the treatments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janelle &#8211; I&#039;m so sorry to hear about your trouble in getting your treatments approved. Why did they deny them? Are they saying the treatments are not medically necessary, or they are experimental? Did you file an appeal? Are your doctors helping you justify the treatments?</p>
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		<title>By: Janelle</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/2007/11/what-to-do-if-your-health-insurance.html/comment-page-1#comment-752</link>
		<dc:creator>Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only wish my problem would cost $650, that is cheap compared to the 3 treatments that I need that my insurance company has denied. Each treatment is going to cost us around $5,000.00 each. And we will have this same issue if I need treatments in the future for my rare disease. This will only add to the debt we already have from my previous hospitalization.

I wish there was some advice out there to help someone in my situation. It would cost the insurance company so much less to pay for these treatments than the past 2 1/2 weeks of hospitalization costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only wish my problem would cost $650, that is cheap compared to the 3 treatments that I need that my insurance company has denied. Each treatment is going to cost us around $5,000.00 each. And we will have this same issue if I need treatments in the future for my rare disease. This will only add to the debt we already have from my previous hospitalization.</p>
<p>I wish there was some advice out there to help someone in my situation. It would cost the insurance company so much less to pay for these treatments than the past 2 1/2 weeks of hospitalization costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/2007/11/what-to-do-if-your-health-insurance.html/comment-page-1#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tfb - Not in my experience will they give you the insurance company rate.  And I have &lt;b&gt;a lot&lt;/b&gt; of experience with women&#039;s medical problems with my wife.  The hospital/doctor will usually give you a slight break (like 10%) if you pay it up front or put you on a no interest payment plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tfb &#8211; Not in my experience will they give you the insurance company rate.  And I have <b>a lot</b> of experience with women&#039;s medical problems with my wife.  The hospital/doctor will usually give you a slight break (like 10%) if you pay it up front or put you on a no interest payment plan.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/2007/11/what-to-do-if-your-health-insurance.html/comment-page-1#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@forHealth&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Why should the woman&#039;s doctor have to fight for compensation from the insurance company?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The doctor doesn&#039;t have to, but because he can articulate the medical necessity better than the patient, he&#039;s in a better position to explain the nature of the treatment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;You also assume that the woman had $650 laying around.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t make that assumption but I don&#039;t think $650 is prohibitive either. If I have a life threatening illness, I&#039;m willing to put that $650 on my credit card. My husband will be willing to work some overtime. My children will be willing to contribute something as well. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@Ted,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You brought up another good point. If the woman went to the doctor, even if the service turned out to be not covered, I think the charge would still be reduced to the negotiated rate. The woman would be paying $150 instead of $650.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@forHealth</p>
<p>&#034;Why should the woman&#039;s doctor have to fight for compensation from the insurance company?&#034;</p>
<p>The doctor doesn&#039;t have to, but because he can articulate the medical necessity better than the patient, he&#039;s in a better position to explain the nature of the treatment.</p>
<p>&#034;You also assume that the woman had $650 laying around.&#034;</p>
<p>I don&#039;t make that assumption but I don&#039;t think $650 is prohibitive either. If I have a life threatening illness, I&#039;m willing to put that $650 on my credit card. My husband will be willing to work some overtime. My children will be willing to contribute something as well. </p>
<p>@Ted,</p>
<p>You brought up another good point. If the woman went to the doctor, even if the service turned out to be not covered, I think the charge would still be reduced to the negotiated rate. The woman would be paying $150 instead of $650.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The doctors should help the woman because it is the insurance companies funnel the patients that they charge up to $650 for the 15 minute office visit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The part that burns me is if the insurance company covered the procedure the &quot;allowable charge&quot; would be about $150 in my experience.  Then the insurance would typically pay 80% of that, or $120, leaving the woman with a $30 bill.  But because the insurance company denies coverage the woman owes the doctor $650.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The system is screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The doctors should help the woman because it is the insurance companies funnel the patients that they charge up to $650 for the 15 minute office visit.</p>
<p>The part that burns me is if the insurance company covered the procedure the &#034;allowable charge&#034; would be about $150 in my experience.  Then the insurance would typically pay 80% of that, or $120, leaving the woman with a $30 bill.  But because the insurance company denies coverage the woman owes the doctor $650.</p>
<p>The system is screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: forHealth</title>
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		<dc:creator>forHealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should the woman&#039;s doctor have to fight for compensation from the insurance company? That shouldn&#039;t be his problem or his responsibility. The woman was following the proper procedure of calling the insurance company beforehand. But as we all know that is usually a waste of time. You also assume that the woman had $650 laying around. She was probably fighting with the insurance companies because she didn&#039;t have that money. Even insured people can&#039;t pay the &quot;ordinary&quot; costs of medical care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should the woman&#039;s doctor have to fight for compensation from the insurance company? That shouldn&#039;t be his problem or his responsibility. The woman was following the proper procedure of calling the insurance company beforehand. But as we all know that is usually a waste of time. You also assume that the woman had $650 laying around. She was probably fighting with the insurance companies because she didn&#039;t have that money. Even insured people can&#039;t pay the &#034;ordinary&#034; costs of medical care.</p>
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