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	<title>Comments on: No Sugar Coating Please: It Was a Lost Decade</title>
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		<title>By: jcarp</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/no-sugar-coating-please-it-was-a-lost-decade.html#comment-5150</link>
		<dc:creator>jcarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just finished reading your &quot;rebalance with new cash&quot; and then, found this latest blog. in nov 2008 - i recvd a $30k cash bonus. i put that cash on 70% bonds, 20% short-term investments, and 10% stocks. todate, 2 years later my rate of return is 23%. i am in my 30s. i will be getting another cash bonus - should i rebalance my portfolio to balance out my bonds vs. stocks in view of current market climate?
appreciate your thoughts, TFB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just finished reading your &#8220;rebalance with new cash&#8221; and then, found this latest blog. in nov 2008 &#8211; i recvd a $30k cash bonus. i put that cash on 70% bonds, 20% short-term investments, and 10% stocks. todate, 2 years later my rate of return is 23%. i am in my 30s. i will be getting another cash bonus &#8211; should i rebalance my portfolio to balance out my bonds vs. stocks in view of current market climate?<br />
appreciate your thoughts, TFB.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/no-sugar-coating-please-it-was-a-lost-decade.html#comment-3550</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since 2003 stocks have beat bonds (and both have beat cash).

2000 was a terrible time to own stocks, but it&#039;s a little late to sound the warning, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since 2003 stocks have beat bonds (and both have beat cash).</p>
<p>2000 was a terrible time to own stocks, but it&#8217;s a little late to sound the warning, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/no-sugar-coating-please-it-was-a-lost-decade.html#comment-3187</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a lot of people including myself it was a very good decade. Every upturn or downturn in the economy has advanages and there are opportunities out there right now that we have never seen before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a lot of people including myself it was a very good decade. Every upturn or downturn in the economy has advanages and there are opportunities out there right now that we have never seen before.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DT - Fair enough, and thank you for holding me to a high standard. Because I&#039;m a buy-and-hold investor, I often make the implicit assumption that all investors are buy-and-hold, which is not true. The two articles I commented on tried to say the decade wasn&#039;t lost to buy-and-hold investors who had a moderate asset allocation, diversified internationally, rebalanced, and added to the portfolio regularly. I thought my post is at least an improvement. 

The decade was lost to buy-and-hold investors who followed the mainstream advice. It was not lost to investors who were conscious of valuation and bought low and sold high. It was not lost to investors who had the nerve and/or foresight to invest heavily in emerging markets, energy, or precious metals and mining. Of course whether the strategies that worked in the last decade will work in the new decade remains to be seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DT &#8211; Fair enough, and thank you for holding me to a high standard. Because I&#8217;m a buy-and-hold investor, I often make the implicit assumption that all investors are buy-and-hold, which is not true. The two articles I commented on tried to say the decade wasn&#8217;t lost to buy-and-hold investors who had a moderate asset allocation, diversified internationally, rebalanced, and added to the portfolio regularly. I thought my post is at least an improvement. </p>
<p>The decade was lost to buy-and-hold investors who followed the mainstream advice. It was not lost to investors who were conscious of valuation and bought low and sold high. It was not lost to investors who had the nerve and/or foresight to invest heavily in emerging markets, energy, or precious metals and mining. Of course whether the strategies that worked in the last decade will work in the new decade remains to be seen.</p>
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		<title>By: DT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s bring to the surface a massive underlying assumption.

Everything in this post acts like buy and hold is the only way to invest.

Is it fair to say it was only a lost decade for investors using the classic buy and hold strategy?

What about other strategies?
What about strategies that including more selling during those 10 years?

TFB, I&#039;m not too fond of your analysis in this post.

I don&#039;t get much from the conclusion, other than your assertion that the decade was, in fact, lost.

Lost to whom, exactly?  I assume the buy and hold investor, or the money market investor ... not sure you give me much extra on that.

After reading it, I felt like I wasted my time, which is rare here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s bring to the surface a massive underlying assumption.</p>
<p>Everything in this post acts like buy and hold is the only way to invest.</p>
<p>Is it fair to say it was only a lost decade for investors using the classic buy and hold strategy?</p>
<p>What about other strategies?<br />
What about strategies that including more selling during those 10 years?</p>
<p>TFB, I&#8217;m not too fond of your analysis in this post.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get much from the conclusion, other than your assertion that the decade was, in fact, lost.</p>
<p>Lost to whom, exactly?  I assume the buy and hold investor, or the money market investor &#8230; not sure you give me much extra on that.</p>
<p>After reading it, I felt like I wasted my time, which is rare here.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Given - I disagree. It has to do with the likelihood and the severity of the poor outcome. If a strategy generates bad outcome more than half of the time and the magnitude of the such bad outcome is multiple times the expected gain, such strategy is not a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Given &#8211; I disagree. It has to do with the likelihood and the severity of the poor outcome. If a strategy generates bad outcome more than half of the time and the magnitude of the such bad outcome is multiple times the expected gain, such strategy is not a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Given</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Given</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TFB, you &quot;... should understand that a good strategy does not always lead to a good outcome.&quot;

Your recent article &#039;Conventional Wisdom &quot;Don&#039;t Buy a Distribution&quot; Is Wrong&#039; makes exactly that mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TFB, you &#8220;&#8230; should understand that a good strategy does not always lead to a good outcome.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your recent article &#8216;Conventional Wisdom &#8220;Don&#8217;t Buy a Distribution&#8221; Is Wrong&#8217; makes exactly that mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dylan - Owning more shares could be achieved by putting money in a money market fund or CDs for ten years and buying those shares now. The risks taken in the last ten years weren&#039;t rewarded. The investors may very well be rewarded for risks taken in the next ten years, but that does not change the fact their last ten years were lost. Taking risks for the next ten years does not predicate on taking risks for the last ten. 

A bad outcome does not necessarily invalidate the strategy. The two articles I commented on, however, attempted to deny the bad outcome in order to defend the strategy. That&#039;s really not necessary. One should evaluate the merits of a strategy on its own and take into account its associated risks such as what would happen in a lost decade like the one we just experienced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dylan &#8211; Owning more shares could be achieved by putting money in a money market fund or CDs for ten years and buying those shares now. The risks taken in the last ten years weren&#8217;t rewarded. The investors may very well be rewarded for risks taken in the next ten years, but that does not change the fact their last ten years were lost. Taking risks for the next ten years does not predicate on taking risks for the last ten. </p>
<p>A bad outcome does not necessarily invalidate the strategy. The two articles I commented on, however, attempted to deny the bad outcome in order to defend the strategy. That&#8217;s really not necessary. One should evaluate the merits of a strategy on its own and take into account its associated risks such as what would happen in a lost decade like the one we just experienced.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I define it as a decade in which risk taking wasn&#039;t rewarded. You took risk, you did what everybody says you are supposed to do, but you have nothing to show for after ten years.&quot;

I think &quot;lost&quot; decade is meant to imply that were in the same place, financially, as we were in 2000.  The problem with that thinking for those that have been regularly investing over the last ten years is they actually do have something to show for it.  I&#039;m not talking about a 3-point-something rate of return; I&#039;m talking about owning a lot more shares than they would if the market climbed steadily through the decade.  Whatever market pricing is 10 years from now, they will own a bigger piece of it because of the low returns of the last 10.  It&#039;s too soon to say the risk was or wasn&#039;t rewarded; it may still be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I define it as a decade in which risk taking wasn&#8217;t rewarded. You took risk, you did what everybody says you are supposed to do, but you have nothing to show for after ten years.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think &#8220;lost&#8221; decade is meant to imply that were in the same place, financially, as we were in 2000.  The problem with that thinking for those that have been regularly investing over the last ten years is they actually do have something to show for it.  I&#8217;m not talking about a 3-point-something rate of return; I&#8217;m talking about owning a lot more shares than they would if the market climbed steadily through the decade.  Whatever market pricing is 10 years from now, they will own a bigger piece of it because of the low returns of the last 10.  It&#8217;s too soon to say the risk was or wasn&#8217;t rewarded; it may still be.</p>
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		<title>By: Wai Yip Tung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wai Yip Tung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a lost decade. It wasn&#039;t. Let&#039;s not debate on the fine point. Let&#039;s look ahead instead. What will be the evaluation of the coming decade? Another lost decade? And then follow by yet another lost decade?

This is something hanging over my head. We maybe entering the post-abundance era. (See for example, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/HL07Dj03.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article by Michael T Klare&lt;/a&gt;). Issues like population aging, shortage of natural resources and the wildcard of climate change are showing their effect. It is not just a economic cycle. Our economy is just not growing any more.

In another two decades, many of us will be retiring. What if there is nothing to show after all? I&#039;m very impressed by the intelligence of TFB and others. There are so much good advice for investment, so much good knowledge on the complex issues of accounting and taxation, and such a phenomenal grasp of probability and its application in finance. We are applying our best effort. But what if all these intelligence goes into to waste. And we have nothing to show in three decades? I mean we may be just living in a wrong era. All the money to be made may have already been made in the 90s and before. It is all downhill from here.

I&#039;m not putting my money on these predictions. But they are plausible scenarios. I just want to take a break from number crunching and try to comtemplate a even bigger picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a lost decade. It wasn&#8217;t. Let&#8217;s not debate on the fine point. Let&#8217;s look ahead instead. What will be the evaluation of the coming decade? Another lost decade? And then follow by yet another lost decade?</p>
<p>This is something hanging over my head. We maybe entering the post-abundance era. (See for example, the <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/HL07Dj03.html" rel="nofollow">article by Michael T Klare</a>). Issues like population aging, shortage of natural resources and the wildcard of climate change are showing their effect. It is not just a economic cycle. Our economy is just not growing any more.</p>
<p>In another two decades, many of us will be retiring. What if there is nothing to show after all? I&#8217;m very impressed by the intelligence of TFB and others. There are so much good advice for investment, so much good knowledge on the complex issues of accounting and taxation, and such a phenomenal grasp of probability and its application in finance. We are applying our best effort. But what if all these intelligence goes into to waste. And we have nothing to show in three decades? I mean we may be just living in a wrong era. All the money to be made may have already been made in the 90s and before. It is all downhill from here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not putting my money on these predictions. But they are plausible scenarios. I just want to take a break from number crunching and try to comtemplate a even bigger picture.</p>
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