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	<title>Comments on: Who Pays for Credit Card Rewards and Rebates?</title>
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		<title>By: Bll Davis</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-7223</link>
		<dc:creator>Bll Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 04:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gandalf-You need to tell the whole story about chase freedom card--Your rewards do not kick in until you have acured $1,5000 then your rewards kick-in, Plus I am very sorry to see that you have an account with chase-if you did work their you should know this is a VERY BAD company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gandalf-You need to tell the whole story about chase freedom card&#8211;Your rewards do not kick in until you have acured $1,5000 then your rewards kick-in, Plus I am very sorry to see that you have an account with chase-if you did work their you should know this is a VERY BAD company.</p>
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		<title>By: Maritza Salvado</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-4696</link>
		<dc:creator>Maritza Salvado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100% that these rebates have caused prices to go up. The merchant gets charged by the credit card companies (they never loose a penny). The worse part is, some of us, such as lawyers (at least where we are), are not allowed to charge their clients those fees. The alternative is to raise prices, but in a competetive market, it is not always possible.
The USA is out of control, the banking industry, the government itself and including the communication industry are doing whatever they want with us. Damned Republicans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% that these rebates have caused prices to go up. The merchant gets charged by the credit card companies (they never loose a penny). The worse part is, some of us, such as lawyers (at least where we are), are not allowed to charge their clients those fees. The alternative is to raise prices, but in a competetive market, it is not always possible.<br />
The USA is out of control, the banking industry, the government itself and including the communication industry are doing whatever they want with us. Damned Republicans!</p>
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		<title>By: Gandalf</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-4679</link>
		<dc:creator>Gandalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! It took several Google searches to find someone actually doing what journalists are supposed to do: Follow the money! Keep up the good work!

I really like that you were able to make the twist at the end. The system is messed up, but if you can&#039;t beat &#039;em, join &#039;em. I also lament the way it works, but the prices will be the same no matter how I pay, so we might as well get a little bit back in the process.

I use Chase&#039;s Freedom and the BP Visa (5% on gas, 2% on travel/dining).

(Disclosure: I used to work for Chase [as a teller], and I do not own any JPM stock.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! It took several Google searches to find someone actually doing what journalists are supposed to do: Follow the money! Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>I really like that you were able to make the twist at the end. The system is messed up, but if you can&#8217;t beat &#8216;em, join &#8216;em. I also lament the way it works, but the prices will be the same no matter how I pay, so we might as well get a little bit back in the process.</p>
<p>I use Chase&#8217;s Freedom and the BP Visa (5% on gas, 2% on travel/dining).</p>
<p>(Disclosure: I used to work for Chase [as a teller], and I do not own any JPM stock.)</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-1054</link>
		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - Yes, I know in some other countries the customer pays a surcharge for using a credit card and I think it&#039;s a very fair arrangement. If one wants to get the billing convenience, added security, and rewards, he/she pays for it. If another person thinks it&#039;s not worth it, he/she doesn&#039;t pay for it. Unfortunately credit card surcharging is illegal in the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; Yes, I know in some other countries the customer pays a surcharge for using a credit card and I think it&#8217;s a very fair arrangement. If one wants to get the billing convenience, added security, and rewards, he/she pays for it. If another person thinks it&#8217;s not worth it, he/she doesn&#8217;t pay for it. Unfortunately credit card surcharging is illegal in the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may or may not already be aware of this but in some other countries they have a solution for this.  They pass any transaction related costs resulting from your use of a credit card directly to you.  In that way there is an incentive to use cash, the prices do not have to all be raised just to protect from credit card users, and there is no mystery as to what the transaction fees are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may or may not already be aware of this but in some other countries they have a solution for this.  They pass any transaction related costs resulting from your use of a credit card directly to you.  In that way there is an incentive to use cash, the prices do not have to all be raised just to protect from credit card users, and there is no mystery as to what the transaction fees are.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of the comments here. Credit card companies didn&#039;t raise prices on products. Sure some stores will include the transaction fee in products, but all that does is drive prices up in their store and smart shoppers will find other places to shop. Also stores can up prices for any reason and claim it was due to these fees even if it is not the reason. Again smart shoppers will shop around.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Plus many people spend with money they don&#039;t have (ie credit cards) and then don&#039;t pay of the balance. Not only has this, as other comments have suggested, caused an increase in spending (the merchants get paid their money) but credit card companies are making a killing off of interest and fees. With an average rewards credit card APR hovering around 19.4 percent thats a whole lot of money to throw around by the company. Take 1 percent out (as that is the most popular reward back amount) and hand that to the rewards program and those that pay off their balances in full get the rewards free and those who don&#039;t simply put the &#039;rewards&#039; right back into the system through interest plus the other 18 or so percent their still paying.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rewards programs really pay for themselves and the most likely scenario is that companies take a fraction of different incomes they earn (say 0.2 % of merchant fees and 0.8% from interest payments and  late fees) to &#039;pay out&#039; 1% back rewards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of the comments here. Credit card companies didn&#8217;t raise prices on products. Sure some stores will include the transaction fee in products, but all that does is drive prices up in their store and smart shoppers will find other places to shop. Also stores can up prices for any reason and claim it was due to these fees even if it is not the reason. Again smart shoppers will shop around.</p>
<p>Plus many people spend with money they don&#8217;t have (ie credit cards) and then don&#8217;t pay of the balance. Not only has this, as other comments have suggested, caused an increase in spending (the merchants get paid their money) but credit card companies are making a killing off of interest and fees. With an average rewards credit card APR hovering around 19.4 percent thats a whole lot of money to throw around by the company. Take 1 percent out (as that is the most popular reward back amount) and hand that to the rewards program and those that pay off their balances in full get the rewards free and those who don&#8217;t simply put the &#8216;rewards&#8217; right back into the system through interest plus the other 18 or so percent their still paying.</p>
<p>Rewards programs really pay for themselves and the most likely scenario is that companies take a fraction of different incomes they earn (say 0.2 % of merchant fees and 0.8% from interest payments and  late fees) to &#8216;pay out&#8217; 1% back rewards.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;all are leaving the cost of handling cash. That is an important reason why fast food restaurants are now promoting the use of plastic. Plastic also inhibits theft by employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all are leaving the cost of handling cash. That is an important reason why fast food restaurants are now promoting the use of plastic. Plastic also inhibits theft by employees.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the sales volume of CC transactions is less than half of a merchants total volume then people that pay cash are subsidizing that reward.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Say a merchant has $1,000,000 in sales of which $500,000 is paid w/ CC.  The merchant pays 2% of $500,000 ($10,000) to the CC companies.  This $10,000 is 1% of their sales so they raise prices by 1% to pay this cost.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A person with a 1% cash rewards card would therefore about break even in this scenario, as the reward offsets the rise in prices.  A person paying in cash on the other hand would be 1% poorer, in order to subsidize the use of CCs by other patrons.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It then follows that a CC user only comes out ahead with a reward if sales volume is less than half CC and lose money if its more.  Of course, people that pay in cash lose money in all scenarios but lose more as CC volume goes up.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You really have to hand it to the CC companies, they have applied game theory principles masterfully.  If no consumer used credit cards then prices would be lower.  CC companies provide an incentive through &quot;rewards&quot; to use them.  But the &quot;reward&quot; is only a reward if a few people use CCs. And once CC use becomes dominant people still have an incentive to use them because they will lose less by getting a &quot;reward&quot; than if they paid in cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the sales volume of CC transactions is less than half of a merchants total volume then people that pay cash are subsidizing that reward.</p>
<p>Say a merchant has $1,000,000 in sales of which $500,000 is paid w/ CC.  The merchant pays 2% of $500,000 ($10,000) to the CC companies.  This $10,000 is 1% of their sales so they raise prices by 1% to pay this cost.  </p>
<p>A person with a 1% cash rewards card would therefore about break even in this scenario, as the reward offsets the rise in prices.  A person paying in cash on the other hand would be 1% poorer, in order to subsidize the use of CCs by other patrons.</p>
<p>It then follows that a CC user only comes out ahead with a reward if sales volume is less than half CC and lose money if its more.  Of course, people that pay in cash lose money in all scenarios but lose more as CC volume goes up.</p>
<p>You really have to hand it to the CC companies, they have applied game theory principles masterfully.  If no consumer used credit cards then prices would be lower.  CC companies provide an incentive through &#8220;rewards&#8221; to use them.  But the &#8220;reward&#8221; is only a reward if a few people use CCs. And once CC use becomes dominant people still have an incentive to use them because they will lose less by getting a &#8220;reward&#8221; than if they paid in cash.</p>
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		<title>By: credit card assistance</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>credit card assistance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s credit card holders who pay for the rewards. If you look at the reward credit card features, you see that they have higher than usual APR and annual fees. What&#039;s more, if you put just every purchase on your credit card, like most transactors do, your creditor also has its share. Companies are no fools really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s credit card holders who pay for the rewards. If you look at the reward credit card features, you see that they have higher than usual APR and annual fees. What&#8217;s more, if you put just every purchase on your credit card, like most transactors do, your creditor also has its share. Companies are no fools really.</p>
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		<title>By: KMull</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards-and.html#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>KMull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say the answer is all of the above. I&#039;ve always just considered that the cc company has revenue -- from different sources (interest, merchant fees, etc.) and in return for my business (the fees my merchants pay for my purchases), I get a small reward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say the answer is all of the above. I&#8217;ve always just considered that the cc company has revenue &#8212; from different sources (interest, merchant fees, etc.) and in return for my business (the fees my merchants pay for my purchases), I get a small reward.</p>
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