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		<title>By: Steve Stanganelli, CFP(R) Professional</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Stanganelli, CFP(R) Professional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 12:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While these are good comments, I just want to say that Vanguard&#039;s programs ONLY address investing and saving.  I started my firm because financial planning is MORE than just investing.  The kinds of questions that I get from consumers (not just as investors) involves college planning, divorce, elder care, real estate investing and taxes.  

To reply to some of the other posts here, other professionals do also have &quot;value pricing&quot; for their services. Ask any attorney who charges for an estate plan or other advice.  Some of it is canned - just like some financial plans have boilerplate.  But it is advice in the context of the individual.  

I&#039;m reminded of a story about the plumber who charged someone $1000 to do something that took 15 minutes.  The homeowner demanded a detailed invoice:  $10 for tool, $990 knowing where to use it.  The same is for financial planning.  

I cannot simply give away years of knowledge in a plan that addresses all the complex areas of a person&#039;s like for $200.  There is the investment of my time in the client and the time to have acquired the training, knowledge and tools to do the job.

For my clients I will NOT invest without having a financial plan.  Without the road map, you&#039;ll never know when you get to your destination.  

For those who feel 1% is too much, what about lawyers who charge 33% for a contingency case?  

In my case I offer individuals the choice:  an assets under management fee based on a declining percentage or a retainer fee to cover the time for research, reviews and some implementation.  I even offer a flat fee regardless of assets but counting all assets - discretionary or non-discretionary - and it includes updating the financial plan, tax preparation, investment research, monitoring and  implementation. And I&#039;m acting as a fee-only fiduciary. 

You&#039;re NOT going to get that with any Flagship Service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While these are good comments, I just want to say that Vanguard&#8217;s programs ONLY address investing and saving.  I started my firm because financial planning is MORE than just investing.  The kinds of questions that I get from consumers (not just as investors) involves college planning, divorce, elder care, real estate investing and taxes.  </p>
<p>To reply to some of the other posts here, other professionals do also have &#8220;value pricing&#8221; for their services. Ask any attorney who charges for an estate plan or other advice.  Some of it is canned &#8211; just like some financial plans have boilerplate.  But it is advice in the context of the individual.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of a story about the plumber who charged someone $1000 to do something that took 15 minutes.  The homeowner demanded a detailed invoice:  $10 for tool, $990 knowing where to use it.  The same is for financial planning.  </p>
<p>I cannot simply give away years of knowledge in a plan that addresses all the complex areas of a person&#8217;s like for $200.  There is the investment of my time in the client and the time to have acquired the training, knowledge and tools to do the job.</p>
<p>For my clients I will NOT invest without having a financial plan.  Without the road map, you&#8217;ll never know when you get to your destination.  </p>
<p>For those who feel 1% is too much, what about lawyers who charge 33% for a contingency case?  </p>
<p>In my case I offer individuals the choice:  an assets under management fee based on a declining percentage or a retainer fee to cover the time for research, reviews and some implementation.  I even offer a flat fee regardless of assets but counting all assets &#8211; discretionary or non-discretionary &#8211; and it includes updating the financial plan, tax preparation, investment research, monitoring and  implementation. And I&#8217;m acting as a fee-only fiduciary. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re NOT going to get that with any Flagship Service.</p>
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		<title>By: Otherwise preoccupied</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otherwise preoccupied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working with an Independent Financial Planner and much prefer that to the big firm I was using previously.  He stated it very well when he told me &quot;people may lack the desire, skill or time to manage their portfolio to the optimal level&quot;.  That is very true as I have the skill as a CFO but I certainly do not have the desire or time.  I would much rather be developing my company plans or spending time with my family.  For me 1% is money well spent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working with an Independent Financial Planner and much prefer that to the big firm I was using previously.  He stated it very well when he told me &#8220;people may lack the desire, skill or time to manage their portfolio to the optimal level&#8221;.  That is very true as I have the skill as a CFO but I certainly do not have the desire or time.  I would much rather be developing my company plans or spending time with my family.  For me 1% is money well spent!</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>philip b - I do not doubt that you provide good service and value to your clients who need it. My post is specifically about this Sue who called the public radio. Listen to the call and tell me what you think. I don&#039;t think the kind of HNW clients you describe would call public radio with their complexity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>philip b &#8211; I do not doubt that you provide good service and value to your clients who need it. My post is specifically about this Sue who called the public radio. Listen to the call and tell me what you think. I don&#8217;t think the kind of HNW clients you describe would call public radio with their complexity.</p>
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		<title>By: philip b</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/hiring-financial-advisor-don-settle-for.html#comment-2138</link>
		<dc:creator>philip b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TFB,

I accidently came across your website and feel compelled to reply. 
As a quick note, I just returned from the Morningstar conference in Chicago and I got a chance to meet and speak with Jack Boggle.  He sat next to me in a breakout session discussing Modern Porfolio Theory.

Anyway your article is good but obviously you do not have much real world experience in dealing with HNW clients.  They often require a lot more attention than just allocating 1 million dollars to amoungst 6 or 8 low cost index funds.  When you get to investible assets of 1mil+ generally the complexity of the HNW needs go well beyound this simple task.  The cost, as far as the fee I charge is really immaterial versus what they are getting for that fee.  I have had several clients over the years tell me they really do not care what they are paying(within reason of course) as long as their expectations are met.  The expectations, at least in my practice, are laid out in the IPS statement and the contractual agreement the client signs.  Real world Financial Planning and investment management done at a high level with HNW families(1million of investible assets+), demand much more than a plan created over the phone and assets managed by someone they have never met, been around, been referred to, can call at home, would consider a trustee or steward of their financial affairs if something tragic were to happen to them, etc.  If financial planning were really as simple as you think that it is, everyone would be at Vanguard.  Just like every millionare would be driving a Toyota or whatever car you feel has the best value for the buck in your one size fits all utopia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TFB,</p>
<p>I accidently came across your website and feel compelled to reply.<br />
As a quick note, I just returned from the Morningstar conference in Chicago and I got a chance to meet and speak with Jack Boggle.  He sat next to me in a breakout session discussing Modern Porfolio Theory.</p>
<p>Anyway your article is good but obviously you do not have much real world experience in dealing with HNW clients.  They often require a lot more attention than just allocating 1 million dollars to amoungst 6 or 8 low cost index funds.  When you get to investible assets of 1mil+ generally the complexity of the HNW needs go well beyound this simple task.  The cost, as far as the fee I charge is really immaterial versus what they are getting for that fee.  I have had several clients over the years tell me they really do not care what they are paying(within reason of course) as long as their expectations are met.  The expectations, at least in my practice, are laid out in the IPS statement and the contractual agreement the client signs.  Real world Financial Planning and investment management done at a high level with HNW families(1million of investible assets+), demand much more than a plan created over the phone and assets managed by someone they have never met, been around, been referred to, can call at home, would consider a trustee or steward of their financial affairs if something tragic were to happen to them, etc.  If financial planning were really as simple as you think that it is, everyone would be at Vanguard.  Just like every millionare would be driving a Toyota or whatever car you feel has the best value for the buck in your one size fits all utopia.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
		<link>http://thefinancebuff.com/hiring-financial-advisor-don-settle-for.html#comment-1577</link>
		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SV - Although I haven&#039;t used them myself, I&#039;ve seen other people recommending the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.garrettplanningnetwork.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Garrett Financial Planning Network&lt;/a&gt;. Members of that network are fee-only advisors who are not supposed to sell you anything except their time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SV &#8211; Although I haven&#8217;t used them myself, I&#8217;ve seen other people recommending the <a href="http://www.garrettplanningnetwork.com/" rel="nofollow">Garrett Financial Planning Network</a>. Members of that network are fee-only advisors who are not supposed to sell you anything except their time.</p>
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		<title>By: SV</title>
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		<dc:creator>SV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.. I should&#039;ve mentioned that out of the 150K, about 100K is in my 401K account with Fidelity. So I cannot move it out of Fidelity, atleast for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.. I should&#8217;ve mentioned that out of the 150K, about 100K is in my 401K account with Fidelity. So I cannot move it out of Fidelity, atleast for now.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SV - If you invest at least $100k with Vanguard, you qualify for their &lt;a href=&quot;https://personal.vanguard.com/us/accounttypes/services/ATSVoySvcsOVContent.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Voyager Service&lt;/a&gt;. You can get a financial plan from them for $250. I think it&#039;s a very good deal if you want some help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SV &#8211; If you invest at least $100k with Vanguard, you qualify for their <a href="https://personal.vanguard.com/us/accounttypes/services/ATSVoySvcsOVContent.jsp" rel="nofollow">Voyager Service</a>. You can get a financial plan from them for $250. I think it&#8217;s a very good deal if you want some help.</p>
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		<title>By: SV</title>
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		<dc:creator>SV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I successfully avoided an Ameriprise guy who tried to get me into the VUL path. I tried my own thing after a year or so after that, but frankly, I just lack the clarify and discipline to steer the boat in the right direction. I am trying out an adviser from Ed Jones, who has just recommended some funds with 5.75% front-load.I have a portfolio of ~150K. Will I be able to get better financial advise and monitoring elsewhere? I don&#039;t mind learning the ropes for a year or two and then trying it out myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I successfully avoided an Ameriprise guy who tried to get me into the VUL path. I tried my own thing after a year or so after that, but frankly, I just lack the clarify and discipline to steer the boat in the right direction. I am trying out an adviser from Ed Jones, who has just recommended some funds with 5.75% front-load.I have a portfolio of ~150K. Will I be able to get better financial advise and monitoring elsewhere? I don&#8217;t mind learning the ropes for a year or two and then trying it out myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Mickelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Mickelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your making a lot of assumptions.  If you are talking about just drawing up a financial plan I agree.  I have charged clients 1% in the past and basically felt like I was giving the financial plan away for free.  For 1% I have to monitor the clients portfolio 24/7 365 days a year, and in this market money well spent.  A client would spend much more in commissions or even fully invested in mutual funds at 4 or 5%.  Also I wish you journalist types would quit bringing up Vanguard would you rather pay 1% for an actively managed portfolio or be down 40%?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your making a lot of assumptions.  If you are talking about just drawing up a financial plan I agree.  I have charged clients 1% in the past and basically felt like I was giving the financial plan away for free.  For 1% I have to monitor the clients portfolio 24/7 365 days a year, and in this market money well spent.  A client would spend much more in commissions or even fully invested in mutual funds at 4 or 5%.  Also I wish you journalist types would quit bringing up Vanguard would you rather pay 1% for an actively managed portfolio or be down 40%?</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous - I&#039;m glad you were able to pay a low fee for a good plan and a good education. You just proved my point -- a flat fee service beats paying 1% of your asset year after year. As to Vanguard&#039;s planning service, if you know enough to be able tell a good advisor from a bad advisor, you can do better. For the no-so-experienced investor, like Sue who called the radio program, Vanguard&#039;s service can be &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://thefinancebuff.com/2007/07/settle-for-good-enough.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good enough&lt;/a&gt;. Good enough gets the job done. If she were to pick a random advisor, even from fee-only  NAPFA referrals, she wouldn&#039;t necessarily do better than going with Vanguard Flagship. I&#039;m not saying all advisors are crooks, but there are certainly many crooks calling themselves advisors out there. Just read &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/gettingpersonal/2008/03/an_ira_and_a_variable_annuity.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this Q&amp;A&lt;/a&gt; for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous &#8211; I&#8217;m glad you were able to pay a low fee for a good plan and a good education. You just proved my point &#8212; a flat fee service beats paying 1% of your asset year after year. As to Vanguard&#8217;s planning service, if you know enough to be able tell a good advisor from a bad advisor, you can do better. For the no-so-experienced investor, like Sue who called the radio program, Vanguard&#8217;s service can be <a HREF="http://thefinancebuff.com/2007/07/settle-for-good-enough.html" REL="nofollow">good enough</a>. Good enough gets the job done. If she were to pick a random advisor, even from fee-only  NAPFA referrals, she wouldn&#8217;t necessarily do better than going with Vanguard Flagship. I&#8217;m not saying all advisors are crooks, but there are certainly many crooks calling themselves advisors out there. Just read <a HREF="http://www.publicradio.org/columns/marketplace/gettingpersonal/2008/03/an_ira_and_a_variable_annuity.html" REL="nofollow">this Q&#038;A</a> for example.</p>
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